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Is This How Gun Control Works?

Posted by iwanttofitin on April 19, 2007

Yesterday a British man (I’m assuming because there is no name) left the following comment on my A Perfect World: Gun Control post.

As a “Brit” I dread the day that Britain moves any way towards the wholesale owning of guns as reflected in American society. Britain is not perfect by any means but gun crime in Britain is relatively rare in comparison to America. I believe this is due to the residual “Wild West” mentality of a large section of American society and the misquoted “right to bear arms” which should apply to society as a whole, not every individual. The gun lobby has a lot to answer for.

I responded a few times with some statistics and through that research have come up with many more statistics that I’d like to share. Remember as you read this that Britain outlawed all guns in 1997. Even the Olympic shooting team isn’t allowed to practice there. NO ONE is ALLOWED to own a gun.

These stats are from the Telegraph in 2002

GUN crime has almost trebled in London during the past year and is soaring in other British cities, according to Home Office figures obtained by The Telegraph.

Detectives in London say that the ILLEGAL (emphasis mine. Criminals don’t pay attention to laws. Law abiding citizens do. Law abiding citizens are negatively affected by gun laws) importation of guns started after the end of the Bosnia conflict and that they are changing hands for as little as £200. During the 10 months to January 31, there were 939 crimes involving firearms in the Metropolitan Police area compared with 322 in the 10 months to the end of January, 2001 – an almost three-fold increase.

In Merseyside there were 57 shootings during the 12 months to last December compared with 15 in the same period the year before. Greater Manchester also recorded a 23 per cent increase in gun crime

Gun crimes during the first 10 months of the annual period have trebled in most of the urban areas

Sir John said: “We have to stem the large number of guns coming in. We know you can buy a gun in London for £200 to £300, and that’s frightening. The price of hiring or buying a gun has come down because there are more guns circulating. (Wait! they banned guns but more guns are circulating and they are all going to criminals.)

The new gun crime figures also show that handgun crime has soared past levels last seen before the Dunblane massacre of 1996 and the ban on the weapons that followed. The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997, the year after Thomas Hamilton, an amateur shooting enthusiast, shot dead 16 schoolchildren, their teacher and himself in Dunblane, Perthshire. It was hoped that the measure would reduce the number of handguns available to criminals. According to internal Home Office statistics, however, handgun crime is now at its highest since 1993.

These come from Alphecca

Yes, that’s right folks, while overall crime in the UK has been dropping slightly, violent crime involving guns is increasing!

So Britain takes away all the law-abiding citizens’ guns and — you’ll be shocked, I’m sure — the criminals run rampant.

When the law-abiding bleated and turned-in their legal guns, for some mysterious reason the criminals didn’t follow suit! Instead, they saw an open doorway into a paradise world of disarmed victims.

The next stats are from an article titled Gun Crime Soars in Britain written in 2003

armed crime has been rising steadily in the country since 1997. (1997 was the year the gun ban was passed)

In fact gun crime has grown ever since legislation was passed in the wake of the Dunblane killings prohibiting gun ownership. In 1998 there were 9 fatal shootings in London, the following year that figure had more than doubled to 20. Thereafter each year has seen a steady rise in the number of shootings, but only now, 5 years later, has the mainstream media decided to tell us. And only after they were forced to acknowledge the problem after high profile shootings.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, some 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and slaughtered.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. Thereafter some 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and thrown into Stalin’s gulags.

In 1938 Germany established gun control and from 1939 to 1945 some 13 million were thrown into Hitler’s concentration camps.

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.” Adolph Hitler 1933

I don’t know about you, but I don’t want my safety to be completely in the hands of criminals.


2 Responses to “Is This How Gun Control Works?”

  1. Stop Lying! said

    The truth is that the UK police has changed its system for recording crime since implementing new gun control laws. This change in recording crime made it appear that the crime rate went up. The British Crime Survey, which was unaffected by this change, shows a decrease in crime. Go to the section under violent crime in the British Crime Survey. “The increase in violent crime recorded by police, in contrast to estimates provided from the BCS, appears to be largely due to increased recording by police forces. Taking into account recording changes, the real trend in violence against the person in 2001/02 is estimated to have been a reduction of around five percent.” (from Chapter 6- “Violent Crime in England and Wales” of Crime in England and Wales 2001/2002- pdf file) Between 1997 and 2002, the overall UK crime rate fell by 27% (http://www.policesupers.com/scripts/currentnews.ASP?news_id=314).

  2. Since I now don’t consider the information about Australia accurate, I have removed it from the post. Everything else stays. I don’t trust the BCS’ estimates over the police force’s actual numbers. The BCS takes a survey and estimates things based on that. The police record ACTUAL crimes. I can understand a phenomenon of a large jump the first year after implementing a new way of recording (which I’m not sure how new way of reporting automatically makes there more crimes) but not every year after.

    The BCS provides reports for the government. The government doesn’t want guns. Conflict of interest especially when all you do is estimate. I can make estimates come out however I feel if I have an agenda.

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